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So you probably know TimTech launched ListViral yesterday. I gotta admit, I wasn’t too sure about this one at first… and you know I’ve been friends with Jon and Tim and Justin many, many years and have always been a big supporter of their programs and products, but I was admittedly a little hesitant about the price tag at first on this one. I’m no cheapskate, but eh, I’m pretty picky about recurring subscriptions in general.

And then I saw ListViral in action, and I just have one word – WHOA. What happened during the first hour or so after I signed up just kinda blew me away.

So okay, let me back up here…

Even though ListViral existed before, this week wasn’t really a relaunch of the program – because the new ListViral is truly a whole brand new and different product. ListViral previously, when it was owned by Matt Baker, was a mailer. The new ListViral is not a mailer at all, and the best way I can explain it is that it’s a viral list building tool that’s kinda like list building on steroids.

If you were around about six years ago during the Clickbank Pirate boom (or, more recently, Covert Commissions), it’s kinda sorta a little bit like those, offering different product packages within to promote that came with ready-made promo materials… but different in a lot of ways too.

Still, though, the push-button everything-set-up-for-you that came with those programs is more or less the same, except one of the big differences here is that the list or lists that are instantly set up for you with a click of a button truly are 100% your lists. Yours, yours, yours – you control those lists totally, forever (at least as long as you have RocketResponder).

You click a button and the e-mail series immediately appears right there in your RocketResponder account, a whole e-mail series of about a month’s worth to get you started, that you can always add more to as time goes on. All yours. (That wasn’t quite exactly true with Clickbank Pirate – they mailed for you, but those subscribers were basically their subscribers.)

The new ListViral setup was built to work directly with RocketResponder and only works with it, which I guess might annoy some AWeber and GetResponse and TrafficWave stalwarts but if you’ve already got RocketResponder (I have it and one of the other aforementioned biggies too), that’s a bonus.

And if you don’t have an autoresponder and/or are a newbie, you can’t get much more simple and easy to use than RocketResponder anyway. (And you can always get this super step-by-step program too if you need help with RocketResponder.)

You get lead capture pages and, in some cases, banners for each package you pick, some of which are only available to certain membership levels. There are three levels of membership – Basic, Club, and Elite – the Basic membership level is pretty inexpensive and you get access to a limited amount of stuff, and the Elite level has access to everything the other levels get plus more.

Commissions are 10% for Basic, 20% for Club, and 50% for the Elite level, and the Club and Elite levels have access to something called the Launch Cloud that can help you virally promote if you’re launching a new program or product.

There’s also a pricier one-time add-on to the Elite level you can get where TimTech staff will literally do everything for you – say, if you’re a program owner and want them to do a custom promotion for your program, they’ll do it ALL, as long as you remain on the Elite plan.

But what I really wanted to tell you about was the List Boost Maximizer, that only comes with the Elite level membership. This was the thing that blew me away yesterday.

So I joined, and then I picked my product packages and clicked the button for each that – BOOM! – immediately set up the e-mail series for each in my RocketResponder account. And that’s all I did. I didn’t promote ListViral or any of the products, hadn’t gotten around to any of that yet.

Still, within an hour or so, I noticed I had three new subscribers to two of those ListViral product package lists in my RocketResponder account… without me having done anything at all!

It just so happened I was talking with Janelle from TimTech at the time about a couple of other issues. I told her what I’d just noticed with the new subscribers and said, “Did those come from the List Boost Maximizer thingy?” and she emoticon-smiled and said “Yep!”

Now that’s pretty cool, for me to have done absolutely NOTHING and gotten three new signups to my lists. That alone is pretty impressive.

How does that happen? Well, if you’re an Elite level member, your ListViral products/lists get promoted on the thank you page of other ListViral members’ lists, basically, giving the person looking at that page the option to check out your product/list. That’s pretty doggone viral!

Anyhoo, yeah… I was a little on the fence until I saw that happen in real-time and then, again, I was just like WHOA. Very impressive, that. Whether I choose to remain at the Elite level in the long-term, I don’t honestly know for sure – it’ll depend on my results, which are certainly looking good based on the first hour of membership! – but here’s the thing…

The Elite plan is available right now, during the initial launch, at a 50% discount from what it will regularly be. That’s a pretty humongous price drop and considering what it can do… well, I have worked pretty hard over many years to get subscribers to my lists, so to have that happen literally on auto-pilot like that with me having done NOTHING yet is a pretty big huge plus.

The Basic and Club levels are also currently available at discounts as well, but let me warn you – all of those discounts will only be available for the first two hours after you join. So be prepared for that in advance (and the Basic and Club levels don’t get the auto-pilot-ness of the List Boost Maximizer either, so you might wanna consider the Elite while it’s at the 50% discount!).

I’ll add here before I go that they admittedly probably need to add a little descriptive “what is this?” FAQ-type info ASAP, ‘cos I foresee that as ListViral gets promoted more and more outside of the general TimTech/CTP realm and into non-TE marketing, as well as to people in TE Land who aren’t able to attend the daily conferences, they are probably going to get overwhelmed with support tickets asking what the Launch Cloud or the List Boost Maximizer and other extras are. But I’m certain they’ll be adding FAQ-type info soon (and Janelle, Brenda, Tom and even Jon aren’t generally terribly hard to find anyway).

In any case, yeah, sorry for the long review – I really am trying to get away from very lengthy posts as a rule – but there was a lot to cover here if I was going to give a thorough product review on my initial impressions of ListViral. And now I have!

So if you’ve a mind to, check out ListViral and see what you think! Have a good weekend, and I’ll be back for sure next week ‘cos I have something very educational on the back burner I need to write about before I explode… ha! See you then! :-)



As far as I’m concerned, Darren Olander is like the king of viral list building and mailers, and I’ve always been a big fan of Darren’s stuff. I use most of his programs regularly and usually get a great response when I do, and he’s been paying me commissions month after month, without fail, for several years now since I took part in the launch of the fabulous Adchiever.

I’ve also really enjoyed using List Surfing both as a traffic exchange and mailing resource for years, and more recently have been making good use of his Viral Nugget, which was re-launched last year. If you’ve gone through the List Builder Training videos in ClickTrackProfit (which every CTP member should), then you already know Darren really knows his stuff when it comes to viral list builders and mailers.

So when I found out Darren was re-launching one of his older programs that’s been around since 2008 and has been one of my favorites for many years, BuildMyDownlines, I was super excited. Then I got even MORE excited when I saw what he’d done to it!

BuildMyDownlines has now not only been completely remodeled, but it now has an additional aspect to it that wasn’t present before. In a nutshell, you can now literally build your downlines in ANY program with BuildMyDownlines!

And I’m not talking just about building them through the downline builder that’s on the site, oh no.

What BuildMyDownlines has now is a unique “offers” area where members can earn cash or credits simply by joining programs, and advertisers can advertise any site they want to by offering as much or little as they want in order to get signups.

I was already excited about the remodeling job on the site anyway, but as you can see, this new feature is really special!

Check out this very short video that pretty much explains it all:

The mailer aspect of BuildMyDownlines is still intact as well, which makes me happy because BuildMyDownlines has always generally been very responsive for me. I took a lifetime upgrade offer there many years ago and (with the exception of my long vacation away, of course) have used it ever since, and always been very pleased with it each time I mailed out.

So I have no doubt that this revamped version of BuildMyDownlines will probably be even better, and definitely with the new feature of the offers area to boot! I expect the new feature is really going to be rocking and active for a long time to come.

In any case, the new version of BuildMyDownlines has just opened this morning. Click HERE to check it out… and go build your own downlines with BuildMyDownlines!



A little over three years ago I posted here about the reason there were a lot of safelist and other mailer e-mails that I didn’t read – or I may have opened them, but didn’t click.

In a nutshell, it was because so many of them were too long.

And by too long, I mean that if the credit link is not “above the fold” in Gmail – i.e., I would have to page down in Gmail to get to the credit link to click it – I simply don’t.

I get way too much of that type mail to have to make that extra effort. Those mails get mostly unread, and tossed immediately in the Trash without being clicked.

In any case, yeah, it’s still going on, the way too long emails sent from safelists and other mailers, three years later – and some that are far, far, far too long. Sorry, but just way too many of them are.

All those “standard affiliate” (I guess they are, I see the same ones appear over and over again) mails for Empower Network and for that Submission-whatever that I think has something to do with Empower Network (but I don’t really know since those mails are way too long for me to bother with)? I maybe read two or three in the beginning when they first started being circulated, but no more since then. Most of them just go immediately to the Trash unopened.

Sure, I’ve done myself  it in the past with the longer ones, but the more I got involved with safelists and mailers and the more I got tired of seeing the longer mails in my box, I tried to make an effort to keep things to the point but briefly, and in two or three or maybe four short paragraphs.

Maybe I’m a little bit of a hypocrite here, because anyone who knows me knows that I tend to get a little lengthy in email and posts sometimes. Being a trained writer, it’s a little bit of an ingrained habit.

I know Jon groans when he sees email from me ‘cos most of the time he finds them akin to (quote) War and Peace (unquote, heh) – especially if I’m on about or really excited about something, LOL – and he hates reading long emails, heh.

I’ve been making a genuine effort lately trying to curb that habit a bit and Olson-ify my emails in brief and with bullet points when applicable (or at least until I get really annoyed with or excited about something again, LOL).

A whole lot of the suggested mails included in the affiliate toolboxes of many programs are way too long as well, and again, I’ve certainly been guilty in the past of grabbing and sending some of those.

My opinion nowadays is that you’re just better off taking those and reworking them for yourself, in much shorter and brief form – and as it is, it’s pretty standard “expert” thought that you’re just better off putting things in your own words anyway, rather than using a swipe copy that probably dozens or hundreds of other folks are going to be sending out too.

Anyway, as far as safelist mails and other list mails in general – the thing is, I’m a member of and, for the most part, regularly use over 65 safelists and mailers, at last count. I don’t have time to read Every Single One that arrives, and most likely, most people don’t.

Right now, I’ve got over 140,000 emails in my list mailbox. There’s no way I’m getting through all of that! I’d love to read them all, but it’s just not possible.

There are a handful of sites I do read most of what I get from them, and I generally do get through most solo mails eventually. But the rest, it’s mainly a matter of (A) how bad I need credits at a site and (B) a few other things, like necessity of activity level, for a particular site.

All of the above stuff is why I was really pleased to hear list building expert Darren Olander, in the List Building videos section of the ClickTrackProfit training, encouraging people to make the body of the mails they send shorter in length, saying shorter ones tended to do better. I believe that viewpoint 100%, given my own feelings about it all, naturally.

A compelling and/or attention-grabbing subject line is really probably far more important than what’s actually in the body of your email anyway, that’s my opinion, basically. And as far as the body goes, short might get me to click, and especially humorous will almost always get me to click, if I’ve opened that mail in the first place.

Check your safelist and mailer mails and look for ones from Jerry Iannucci or Tim Linden for some good examples of ones that (A) almost always get my attention and (B) make me laugh, and thus appreciate them.

Those guys probably would rather I didn’t open their mails (or receive them in the first place) since I’m already pretty much in all of their programs (so I’m basically a wasted click, LOL), but if more people’s mails were like theirs, they’d probably get opened and clicked more.

But the bottom line and the very most important thing to me about mails from safelists and other mailers is that they need to be short enough that the credit link appears “above the fold” in Gmail, and I don’t have to page down to get to it.

I may just be being super picky about it and may be one of the few, but I suspect I’m not. I think it’s a big enough issue that most people should take into account that, if I feel that strongly about it, there’s probably others out there too who aren’t paging down to click in long emails.

Happy mailing… and happy short, brief, and to-the-point safelist mailing, I hope! (Fingers crossed!)


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